awesome hobbit:
i love the character of pippin but i also like merry. they just go together! i believe someone posted earlier that you just can't separate the two. i agree with that 100%.
pipkin sweetgrass:
looking good, so far... come one, all, vote! add merry or not? my own vote is, of course, "aye."
i'm eager to get on with this discussion, and there is so much to discuss! why don't i start a thread for good old boromir? i think he would have loved going to the shire, pity he didn't make it there, at least in body if not in spirit.
awesome hobbit:
i would love to see a thread discussing boromir. after pippin, he is my favorite character. i think sean bean may be partially responsible for that. ;-)
* brie *:
it would be nice to see a new thread about boromir, i know that there are some other ones out there, but i think that they have fallen by the wayside... if you decide you don't want to start a new thread, then perhaps i shall, just pm me and let me know... but back to the whole pippin thing... i just love how billy boyd portrays him. he has given him a lot more depth, and shows how the experiences he's been through so far have made him grow. i cant wait to see what he does with the character in the third installment!
hobbit feet:
quote: i would love to see a thread discussing boromir. after pippin, he is my favorite character. i think sean bean may be partially responsible for that. ;-)
you know, it's funny, i never liked boromir in the book at all. i didn't care when he died and didn't miss him in the tt. he was such an arrogant jerk, but sean bean brought such depth to the role, such emotion and compassion that i found myself re-examining my attitude toward boromir entirely. especially after hearing bean's remarks on the ee dvd commentary. now i weep bitterly when boromir dies and find myself missing him in ttt. anyone else feel the same way?
lostsailors:
ha hobbitfeet, i felt the same way! boromir's character drove me up a wall when i read the book. i never understood why they let him attend the ring quest when he was showing such weaknesses at the council of elrond!
even the first time i saw the film his character made me angry, but then i had a friend who really liked him and she would defend his position to me, now- yes! i really feel for him. poor guy. it wasn't his fault he fell so hard for the ring!
palantir:
quote: i never understood why they let him attend the ring quest when he was showing such weaknesses at the council of elrond!
that's exactly what i thought!! personally, i couldn't stand him at all up until he started crying after he attacked frodo. that got to me, for some reason and then he dies trying to save the hobbits... so pretty much every time i read the book or watch the movie, i'm hating him for being so conceited and thinking that the whole world revolves around gondor and that his men are the ones that keep the world safe (when it's really the unappreciated rangers...) and then he dies and i feel for him and it's okay again, lol. yeah, weird...
* brie *:
i agree. sean bean brought a whole other level to boromir, and made him likable and someone you couldn't help but be sorry for. you understand why he was the way he was. in the special edition, you see how he tries to help a grieving frodo after they loose gandalf, or in several instances how he protects merry and pippin, or the bond that he and aragorn share through their ties to gondor. he makes it all understandable.
pipkin sweetgrass:
excellent! then add merry we shall! i'm pressed for time right now, the mother in law is still recovering from lung surgery, so my time is shorter than i should like.
does anyone know where i can get a really good graphic of the banner of gondor? i think it sounds so beautiful i'd like to have one on a tee shirt.
sorry to cut this short, i promise to make it up later!
hobbit hugs and kisses to all,
pipkin sweetgrass
* brie *:
just wanted to say that i've really enjoyed reading this thread, pipkin... it's stayed interesting, and that is soooo nice!!
pipkin sweetgrass:
let me apologize profusely for my absence, i got so irritated at my isp that i changed that sucker. let me get caught up reading posts and i'll post another great ernil i pheriannath passage. thank you all for your patience!
tookishgirl:
i take it then, that you have not added merry? i hope you do, he's my second favorite, right after pip.
aside from that, does anyone know how pippin and diamond met? i know that she lived on the other side of the shire and she is not mentioned before (as rosie is with sam). i'm just curious, i want to know everything about pippin that i can - that clever little hobbit.
pipkin sweetgrass:
i haven't yet read untold tales, so i really don't know how he met diamond. i do intend to mend this presently, but for now i'm reading the silmarillion and (yet again!) rotk.
i wanted to touch on the palantír chapter though, and merry's reaction to pippin's stealing the palantir. merry turned his back. i think there may have been some disappointment in his friend, but there was something about this that reminded me of something else, and i only became aware of this possibility after my friend the alleged woman (don't ask) died.
one of the members of our own "fellowship" turned away at her burial, saying, "child, what did you do?"
it was so sad. since that time, i've read that palantir chapter about five times, because it keeps reminding me of that scene.
do any of you get the feeling that was what merry was saying? "child, what did you do?" or is it just the grief talking there?
i know i've had some "pippin moments" when people reacted the way merry did, and i have the feeling that's what they were thinking, "child, what did you do?"
how is that tolkien knew so well the human heart? what angel whispered these secrets to him, i wonder...
merry and pippin are so special. their friendship lasts until their death. i can count friends like that on the fingers of one hand.
the two are similar in many ways, yet opposite in other ways. merry seems to have this sense of justice and fairness that blows me away, while pippin is alight with empathy and tookish fire.
i love the part where merry asks pippin if he's lying on an ant bed. i get such a vivid mental movie of that scene.
merry's dying to go to sleep, and there is hyper old pippin, spinning like a top, keeping him awake... yep, pip, been there, done that. sometimes your friends want to just drown you or something. it's a mark of their love that they put up with you.
yeah, when i grow up, i want to be just like merry!
ps... if the alleged woman (that's right, don't ask!) was alive, she's be spinnin' in her grave to know i write about her. i know that somewhere, she's aware of what i just wrote and is laughing her angel's wings off.
friends are forever, and not even death can take that away.
herald7:
while this is only speculation, it makes sense that pippin and diamond were something of an arranged marriage, since her last name is also took.
that could be what merry was thinking. i always thought he didn't want to stare and pippin like everyone else was and it was probably grief too.
uofjc1983:
i love that whole story-- and pippin was so jealous over merry riding with gandalf! this is where i knew pippin loved gandalf as a "surrogate" father. pippin confesses to merry his wish to ride with gandalf, and like the "adult" hobbit that merry is, he gives in to pippin. pippin got his wish all right, and then some! but i dearly love how this once estranged friendship now turns into a very close father-figure/son-figure type relationship, and how pippin grows from it.
oh, yes-- merry did turn away; i knew he was disappointed and could feel it the first time i read it (years ago!). even though his friend disappointed him deeply, he didn't let it taint their relationship. that's the great thing of having merry as a friend.
if their places were switched, would pippin react the same way, or would he again be jealous and "full of tookish fire"?